Monday, May 17, 2010

Jesus rose again on the third day, when was the first?

In the Bible, the reference is that Jesus died on the cross and on the third rose again from the dead


Is this just an error or did Jesus rise again on the third day

Jesus rose again on the third day, when was the first?
No. You made an error. Jesus died on the first day, which is Friday. Then he did nothing at Saturday. Then at Sunday, he rose from the dead for the first time.
Reply:I think you are getting caught up in the language of the translation. Both the original Greek and Hebrew texts omit the word "again." That is an English-ism that refers to the fact that Jesus was alive, dead and then alive AGAIN.





The Bible says that Jesus was crucified on the cross. He descended into Hell to have a victory parade through the streets of hell to show his superiority over the devil. He then, on the third day, ascends into Heaven. Even the Latin version of the Apostle's Creed omits the word "again."





Less important to worry about the language - more important to ponder on the fact.
Reply:Jesus was crucified on Friday. That was the first day. It is the Jewish tradition that the day begins at sundown (and the evening and the morning were the second day), which would have been Saturday. What would be to us sundown Saturday was to the Jews the beginning of Sunday, the third day.





Note that one account has Jesus saying that he would be in the earth "three days and three nights". "and three nights" is a known emendation, and was not in the original.
Reply:The wording means the same, He arose, He rose up from the grave, rose again from the dead on the third day.


The gospel from heaven declares that Jesus at the age of 30 was baptised by John the Baptist where He took on all our sins and then walked to the Cross where He paid for them with His shed blood, was buried and on the third day arose from the dead and then ascended to heaven from whence He came.


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Reply:Jesus died on Friday, Nisan 14, 33 CE. He was resurrected on Sunday, Nisan 16, 33 CE.
Reply:There is no error. Passover did not begin on Friday night, or the eve of the Sabbath, as so many assume. You might find the research on this interesting.
Reply:he did not rise "again". he rose from the dead on sunday


died on good friday, rose on easter sunday/
Reply:Friday.
Reply:He had a woody again.
Reply:hmmmmm
Reply:dont't try to be an ideot and stupid okey don't play by the name of jesus
Reply:The First Day of the Week”





One chronological detail on which all four Gospel writers agree is that the morning the stone was found rolled away from the tomb occurred on “the first day of the week,” the day we call Sunday. 3 (See Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1.) Most scholars conclude from these verses that the Savior rose from the dead on Sunday.





On the other hand, it has been suggested that perhaps the Resurrection occurred on Saturday, and that only the empty tomb was discovered on Sunday. However, a literal translation of Mark 16:9 clearly opposes this view: “And rising early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary the Magdalene.” A Saturday Resurrection seems even more unlikely because the early Christians celebrated the Resurrection on Sunday. 6 (See Acts 20:7.) Thus, Sunday is proposed as the most likely day of the Savior’s resurrection.





The New Testament references to the time of the Crucifixion will now be discussed because they contribute additional chronological information.





“The Day of the Preparation”





All four Gospels agree that the Savior was crucified on a day of “preparation” for a Sabbath—that is, the day before a Sabbath. (See Matt. 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:42.) But a problem arises because the word “Sabbath” could refer either to a weekly Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) or to a feast day. Feast days were sacred days of rest, but they often fell on a day of the week other than Saturday. (See Lev. 23:39.) Therefore, the “day of preparation” on which Jesus was crucified could refer to either (1) a Friday, the day before a weekly Sabbath, or (2) the day before a feast day (possibly any day of the week). Proponents of both interpretations find biblical support for their positions because there is evidence that the Sabbath following the Crucifixion was both a Saturday and a feast day.





In support of a feast day Sabbath, John explicitly states that the day of preparation on which Jesus was crucified was “the preparation of the passover.” (John 19:14.)





At the same time, the continuity of events described in the three synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) indicates that the Sabbath that began shortly after the Savior’s death was also a Saturday, the weekly Jewish Sabbath, because it was the day preceding the day of the Resurrection. It is specifically stated that after the Savior was hurriedly laid in the tomb on the preparation day, the women who attended the burial went to prepare spices and ointments, rested on the Sabbath day, and then returned to the sepulcher to anoint his body very early in the morning on the first day of the week. (Luke 23:54–56; Luke 24:1; Mark 16:1.) Hence, the Sabbath referred to was the day that preceded Sunday, and the day of preparation before it, the day on which the Savior was crucified, was a Friday.





However, there are some who believe the Crucifixion was on a Thursday. Proponents of a Thursday Crucifixion do not feel this reasoning is conclusive. They suggest that if Friday was a feast day, then the Sabbath on which the women rested could have lasted two days. Although they sometimes concede that “Friday” is the usual meaning of “the preparation,” they reject Friday as the day of the Crucifixion for reasons that will now be discussed.





“The Third Day”





On many occasions the Savior prophesied that he would rise on “the third day” from his death (see Matt. 16:21; Matt. 17:23; Matt. 20:19; Mark 9:31; Mark 10:34; Luke 9:22; Luke 13:32; Luke 18:33), while at other times the phrase “after three days” or “in three days” was used (see Mark 8:31; Matt. 27:63; John 2:19). It is clear that these phrases were equivalent in meaning because they were used interchangeably. (Compare Mark 8:31 with Mark 9:31 and Mark 10:34; also Matt. 27:63–64.) On one occasion the Savior stated that he would be “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matt. 12:40.)





Interestingly, these same verses are used to support three different views: a Wednesday, a Thursday, and a Friday Crucifixion.





The Wednesday View. Those who advocate a Wednesday Crucifixion base their opinion on Matthew 12:40 [Matt. 12:40]. They note that Jesus died about 3:00 p.m. (Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:34; Luke 23:44), and they believe he was dead for exactly three days and three nights, and so conclude that the Resurrection occurred in the afternoon. Because the Savior had risen by Sunday morning, they place the Resurrection on Saturday and the Crucifixion on Wednesday.





This view seems untenable because the disciples were witnesses that Jesus actually did “rise from the dead the third day” after his crucifixion (Luke 24:46–48), and the day they saw him is identified as Sunday, the third (not fourth) day since the crucifixion (see Luke 24:1, 13, 20–21). Moreover, the fact that the women came to the tomb on Sunday morning to anoint the body after having had to rest on the Sabbath seems to nullify this view, because under no circumstances could there have been a three-day Sabbath to prevent them from coming sooner.





The Thursday View. Proponents of a Thursday Crucifixion also feel that a Friday death does not allow enough time to fulfill Matthew 12:40 [Matt. 12:40]. That is, even though there may be parts of three days between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning, there are only two nights. They solve this problem by placing the Crucifixion on Thursday afternoon and the Resurrection on Sunday morning; and thus they are forced to propose a two-day Sabbath, as discussed above.





The Friday View. Scholars who advocate a Friday Crucifixion point out that the arguments for Wednesday and Thursday are based almost entirely on one interpretation of an isolated verse (Matt. 12:40), rather than on the many statements that Jesus would rise the third day. Although we might count Sunday as the third day after Thursday, they note that it is clear from many other passages in the Old Testament and rabbinic literature that the Jews counted inclusively—that is, in counting three days after a Friday death, they would have counted Friday as the first day, Saturday as the second, and Sunday as the third. (See Luke 13:32–33; Luke 24:7, 21, 45–48.) Moreover, according to Jewish custom, any part of a day was reckoned as an entire day (including the night); hence, part of Friday, all of Saturday, and part of Sunday would have been counted as three days and three nights.





Therefore, the Jewish manner of reckoning both nullifies the objection to Friday and also implies that Sunday would have been counted as the fourth day after a Thursday Crucifixion.





Accordingly, Wednesday seems to be entirely excluded and Thursday is unlikely because its support lies almost wholly in one verse which strains the interpretation of many others. Thus, while Thursday is possible, it is proposed that the day of the Crucifixion was probably a Friday.
Reply:Okay,


This is all in the Bible. What it says there, roughly, is that during the day Jesus died, He was put in a tomb. He was put in the tomb while it was still daytime, that is before the sun went down. Thus, this is the first day he was what most people refer to as dead.


On the next day Saturday, there is no mention of any activities at all concerning Jesus in the tomb. It probably makes sense as this what they referred to as the Sabbath. Most of the people there were Jewish. If you read the rules for the Sabbath, also in the Bible, there are a lot of prohibitions about doing anything unnecessary on the Sabath. So this, although at first, might sound surprising it is exactly what would be expected, for the people and the religion of the area. Certainly, there were non Jewish people and religion in the area. The Romans exercised governmental control over Jerusalem at the time. Jesus, though was Jewish, and more, and He accomplished many things amazing. One of those items was to perfectly obey the Law of Moses. Most of his followers also followed the Law, for short. Thus they would have probably been violating the law if they did anything with Jesus during the Saturday following his death.


On the day after Saturday, Jesus rose from the dead.





Thus the Bible states that Jesus, was dead for part of daytime hours on Friday. He was also dead for all of the daytime hours on Saturday. He was also dead for part of the daytime hours on Sunday. Thus, in their vernacular, He rose again on the third day. Notice it did not say three complete daytime sets of hours. It just said he rose again on the third day. The amount of daytime needed to make this true is very brief. All, the references for this are in the bible.





For those of you who struggle to get this out of the Bible, try doing what I do. I have several Bibles, and use the most easily understood. Since, I don't teach and just talk, it is not critically important if this easy to read Bible might have an error or two in the whole book. It is not important, because at some point this becomes obvious, what the errors in translation are, if any.





For light reading, I use something like the Good News Bible, it is translated and written in a style much like we talk.





You will find, great stuff in the Bible. Proverbs is amazing. It can be used to understand all sorts of items about people and proper actions under circumstances. Whether or not, you have been blessed yet, with the gift of God choosing you to know Him, the information is useful and amazingly insightful . Now, this I have done. Use it without knowing if the stuff in Proverbs is true or not, and then look at the results. Of course make sure you understand what it really says before you try it.


One of the best sources for what the Bible really says are the Baptists. They are not 100% correct in all they say and do. Yet, they are very to extremely useful for correctly interpreting most of the Bible. So, if you try the above experiment, ask a Baptist minister, or some Protestant, 'In the Word' type of expert and then have fun.


Remember, one experiment is worth a thousand expert opinions. That works really well too. It is amazing. It is especially useful when there are day long to weeklong discussions about something, with no resolution. If without saying a word to anyone, you test what is under discussion, then gather the results of your test, and eventually find yourself in proximity to the former discussion, and present your results and what experiment you did, it is amazing how silent it gets and how the discussion changes and often ends, because the experiment was good enough.


Okay, there is a lot of good information out there on thinking and getting right answers etc etc. I think I will end it here before going from one topic to another.


In summary to the original question: Using the reference of the Bible, it indicates, Jesus was dead for a least the part of three seperate days. On the third day from the day he died, He rose from the dead.


A really cool part, is when the group that was following him, called the apostles and disciples, really started to tell everyone about this. It went something like this. As Jesus was approaching his death, all of his disciples and apostles deserted him. Yes, they were made to do this by God. It's in the Bible. So, although harsh for them to think they lost their faith, and deserted their friend in His most difficult time, with the their resultant internal feelings of failure and guilt, God made it happen that way. Anyway, later, after he rose from the dead, all the apostles were afraid and hid out, mostly together I think. They didn't really have a clue what this all meant, or what was going to happen next, even though Jesus on numerous occasions had told them what was going to happen. They just didn't get it. Well, Jesus rose from the dead. He popped in unannounced and dissapeared unannounced to the apostles and others. They started to understand. He popped in on the apostles even though they were in a locked room. He basically said to them, look at my hands, implying that they had the holes in it from the nails used to kill him in the punishment of the time used for criminals sentenced to death. Look it is me that was dead, I am now alive. He also said look at my side. This was enough with everything else, they figured out that okay, it doesn't make sense, but here he is. It is the same person.


With all they were being shown, and what He was letting them know, they were not all charged up and fearlessly telling everyone that the impossible just happened. And, it was under Jesus's instruction that they not do so yet. I forget how long this went on. Somehow 40 days comes to mind but it is not important for this discussion. Well, one day he starts rising up off the ground, he is leaving them and going to someplace up in the sky, they hopefully are aware of where he is going. He eventually, dissapears into the sky. As he dissapears a couple of angels appear and tell these guys, the apostles, and maybe others present, that He will come back again just as they saw him go up. Still they are not running around saying Jesus died and rose again etc. etc. I think they are told to wait. They are told I think to wait for the Holy Spirt. I am sure they are thinking, okay whatever that is. Maybe they knew intellectually, but they had not experienced the Holy Spirit. They were about to and this was the start of Christianity's exuberant spread throughout mankind. Then 10 days later it happens. the Holy Spirit Came upon all present in a room, in the form of tongues of fire. This was preceeded by a great noise of wind or something like that. As soon as this happened, then they started telling all. They also were shown to be telling the truth by the many impossible events occurring at the time. We use the present term for this of supernatural. They did lots of supernatural things, such as communicated with everyone as though they had one language. Healings were common etc etc.


The events f the Christians, as they were eventually called, is recorded in history books not connected with religion. In those books it is clear these guys and gals were really into spreading their knowlege of what just took place. This is a historical event as we know history from a non religous perspective.


Okay I'll leave with that. This can go on and on until it is all known.


Curt...

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