Does Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

I do not believe Pete Rose belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame but I believe Joe Jackson belongs in the Hall of Fame. Although both Rose and Jackson did make bets, Jackson admitted to his wrong doing while Rose lied about the truth for a very long time.

Does Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame?
They were both incredibly great players, so yes. They made mistakes and apologized and paid for them for a long time. I say if Bonds gets in (one of the biggest cheaters of all time), they should be able to also. Just put an asterisk or a note next to their names.
Reply:Only if new information emerges that exonerate them or show mitigating circumstances. No one is bigger than the game. No one. I used to think -- well, they're dead so let's put em in. But, no, not even then. Some people would do it anyway, knowing that in history no one would care. I CARE.





Rose ain't dead, but when he does die, no Hall.
Reply:Hall of Shame is really what they need to create so at least guys like that have a place they belong!!! Canseco, Clemens, Aroid, Gagne, Pettitte, Bonds and the rest of the clowns that are drug users can go their to!!!
Reply:Rose, Yes. But, I am not going to defend him. Since Yahoo Baseball Answers attracts many gambling questions, who is the hypocrite here?


Jackson, No. Because he doesn't meet the Hall of Fame's criteria of 10 full seasons of MLB play. Change that silly rule and I would admit him in a heartbeat.
Reply:Jackson does, but Rose doesn't, since Rose used amphetamines.
Reply:to be honest yes
Reply:Angel below...





I think Pete Rose is a Disgusting Human Being.... A Liar, a Malcontent, an opportunist.. but he is also a HOF'er, Ty Cobb was a Racist and suspected of murdering sumone, Rogers Hornsby was in the KKK... and To be Honest i think that puts them on a level way above Rose on the Scumbag scale... Yet theyre In the HOF and Rose isnt... I don't think thats fair.





Shoeless Joe, its a Joke he's not in, an absolute sad Fu**ing joke
Reply:"Shoeless" Joe was one of the 1918 "Black Sox Scandal" members and Pete Rose admitted to betting on games as a player and manager so both have done things bad enough to be banned, but as players, they should both be in the Hall. Joe Jackson attempted to THROW THE WORLD SERIES along with 7 others.
Reply:I agree with you although not for the same reason.
Reply:Pete Rose IS a hall of famer..He was wrong for betting on his team and baseball. but the hall of fame isn't about being morally right. Betting or not Pete Rose played EVERY game to his fullest and he is THE ALL TIME HITS LEADER..You don't have to like him or what he did but give his GAME PLAY the respect it deserves
Reply:yes, they both do
Reply:Rose- Absolutely not, never.





Jackson- I guess you could make the argument, but I say no.





Gambling is the one thing that strikes at the heart of a sport's integrity. Jackson, by all accounts, led an exemplary life and was genuinely remorseful. I can't understand the people who are always crying that Rose should go in the Hall...I guess everybody loves a bad boy.





Edit- gene h......beautifully put.....
Reply:I know pete rose does
Reply:No.
Reply:No. They are both monumental losers and are embarrassments to the game of baseball.
Reply:I believe both do. Historical accounts of Shoeless Joe support the theory he never accepted a dime to cheat. And his stats during the series with Cincinnati are inline with what he did day in and day out for years.





We have guys in the hall right now who unashamedly own up to cheating. Gaylord Perry is not shy about the fact he threw 'greaseballs,' balls that were smudged with vaseline.





Rose gambled on the game. Then lied about it. But then came out with the truth. Records of the games he managed do not show any attempt on his part to manage the Reds to a loss in order to make a large pay out. Charlie Hustle stupidly put money on his team to win while he managed them. Was it wrong? Certainly. But if Barry Bonds gets the homerun record without an asterisk attached to it, Cooperstown gets Pete Rose for what he did as a player. It is on a player's achievements that the doors to the hall are open. Shutting them forever because of what he did as a manager is excessive and inconsistent.





If we punish players for their character, you can throw out Ty Cobb, too. A loud, proud racist who, by one of his biographers' accounts, murdered a man.





I don't like that Rose gambled. But he did that after he tallied his 4256 hits. He's an out and out moron with little sense and a goofy haircut. There again, though, he still got 4256 hits. Clean.
Reply:YA they both do
Reply:I truly don't see how anyone can say Rose doesn't belong. The Hall is made up of all the greatest player's who played the game. Rose is in the top ten of all-time greats. Who cares if he made some bets, his biggest down fall was that Barlett Giamati died before he could be reinstated. Also the way he handle the accusations.





Jackson, yes one of the greats to play the game, actually threw a World Series. He played with the sanctity of the game on the games grandest stage. Remember Rose never messed with the outcomes of any of the games he bet on.
Reply:Jackson was never accused of making bets on the 1919 World Series. Research this a bit better, do.





The Hall says No to both of them, and the Hall has the authority to do that. I'm okay with this.
Reply:Pete Rose definately belongs! His stats alone qualify him.Joe however,conspired along with the others on his team to "fix" the World Series. That is far worse than simply placing bets on YOUR team to win.