Bench was the reason i even knew who Rose was.his stats would get him there,but a lifetime ban is just that,.but hear this, when showing my son what it takes to be a true ball player, you can bet your *** Rose was not only talked about,in how he played , but also the responsabilty that goes along with the game and not tarnishing it. we watched tapes of Rose, and i am proud to say i watched my son take a ball four, and run to first base. MR ROSE THAT THERE IS YOUR HALL OF FAME
thats all i wanted to say thank you
Pete Rose hall of fame, no and yes?
Pete doesn't belong in the HOF.
His accomplishments on the field *are* given their proper due in the Museum in Cooperstown.
I'm glad your son plays with enthusiasm.
" they made this a question, it was written as a statement "
Yeah. It seems like they automatically add a "?" at the end if it's not there.
Reply:Nope.
Reply:NO - for 2 reasons only
#1 - he bet on baseball and is serving a lifetime suspension as result of knowingly breaking the biggest rule the game has
#2 - players who are banned from the sport for life are not eligible for induction into the hall of fame according to its' rules.
Keep in mind that MLB and the Baseball Hall of Fame are 2 separate entities. Also keep in mind that Pete Rose knew the rule about betting on baseball, he knew the punishment for doing just that, and he knew what the results of that punishment would mean to his Hall of Fame eligibility. Nobody forced him to break the rules, and now he is paying the piper. I too loved Pete Rose as player, but after hearing about what a self serving, pompous *** he was, I am convinced that he simply thought he was bigger then the game itself. As a player, I give him a 10 - as a human being , I give him a big fat zero.
Reply:Yes.
1. How can you take out the all-time hits leader from the Hall of Fame? He didn't do drugs or steroids. That was him playing out there, giving it his all.
2. The bad things he did (gambling) happened AFTER he retired as a player. We are not putting Rose there as a Hall of Fame manager, we are putting him as a PLAYER.
3. Even during his gambling days, there is no record of him betting on his own team (as manager) to LOSE. He always bet on his team to WIN, and that was how he played: to WIN.
4. MLB always forgave people who were repeat DRUG offenders. Taking drugs is a CRIME anywhere you go. Gambling is NOT a federal offense. It is LEGAL in many places. If people involved in gambling should get lifetime bans (including Mantle and Mays of all people for a short period in retirement!), all the more must people involved in drugs, which is a WORSE example for children. Make it fair.
5. If we are talking about personality (not skills and talent), then agreed: Pete Rose is not an ideal human being.
But what about Hall of Fame players like Ty Cobb who were worse persons, and RACISTS to boot? A lot of those Hall of Famers were bad persons in private too.
Pete Rose belongs.
Reply:yes he gambled, but did he play the game with talent? yes! he belongs in the hall. Barry Bonds dosen't. Barry is gonna break that record becasue he had a little help from performance enhancers. Pete Rose is the player he was because he had talent and knew how to use it.
Reply:What kind of example would MLB be setting if they allowed a man who signed and swore under oath that he would never bet on the game of baseball only to dishonor himself by lying and doing so?
Yes, Pete Rose had some great numbers during his career but he traded them all away over money.
Pete Rose simply has no honor and has no right to be in the hall of fame beside great me who are worthy of being there.
The last time I checked the hall did not have a gamblers section in it.
Reply:Anyone who hold the record for most hits in MLB history deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, first ballot!!!! Look at the man's stats.
Most career hits (4,256)
Most career games played (3,562)
Most career at bats (14,053)
Fifth in career runs (2,165)
Most career total bases, switch-hitter (5,752) (seventh overall)
Second in career doubles (746)
44-game hitting streak (tied for 2nd longest in history)
The NL MVP Award (1973)
The NL Rookie of the Year Award (1963)
17 All-Star appearances
Enough said. How much better can it get than that?!?!? So... yes Pete Rose is a first class Hall of Famer.
Reply:Pete Rose played the game the only way he knew how, the RIGHT way. He was a tough, no nonsense player, and he deserves to be in the hall, no if's and's or bu'ts!! The young players of today could learn a lot by watching how he played, it's a shame what he's had to go through.
Reply:When you look at this several things stand out. He is the All-Time hits leader. I doubt ANYONE will EVER get near his hits total. Pete Rose the player deserves 110% to get to the HOF. That being said though, Pete Rose the manager does not. He did break a rule, but that didn't affect the # of hits he had, or the level of intensity that he played with. If Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, or Sammy Sosa are even talked about with the HOF, then Pete needs to be given a pass. Nuff Said.
Reply:Rose definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Reply:Pete Rose should absolutely be in the Hall. I don't think he should have been betting on baseball... but unless he bet against his own team or was in a position to influence the outcome of another game, I can't really see where I'd have a problem with it.
Reply:Yes he belongs. Nuff said.
Reply:Why not?
Ok, he was a bad boy and broke some rules - so what!
Given what is going on in national politics and people getting away with all sorts of things that are of higher national security than baseball I say let him in.
Better still let our current president pardon him.
Reply:he is already in the WWE hall of fame
Reply:Yeah, too bad baseball has that rule about gambling and Pete knew that and yet, didn't care.
The rule about gambling is a good one to have in there because someone may do something they wouldn't normally do.
Shame Pete was that addicted or that greedy or that bored, but when the rules are posted, and ignored, it is more telling of the organization that doesn't carry it out.
If you let it slide for Pete, who else do you let it slide for.
Where's the point where you say "you weren't good enough to cheat and get into the hall where this guy was"
Since there are a few people with votes that vote for him, if it was such a strong issue, then he would be a write in on 75% of the ballots, but after lying to everyone for 15 years, it's a dead issue.
Reply:yes he belongs, only as a player, not a manager.
he has all the numbers, there is no reason he shouldn't be in the hall of fame as a player.
but, they put a lifetime ban on most of the 1919 white sox team, and shoeless joe and buc weaver have yet to get in the hall of fame...so i really don't know if pete rose will ever get in.
Reply:Hall of fame? Yes. Since it is a historical record of the game. Banned for life? Yes. He cannont make a living from MLB in any way.
Reply:no he broke thr rules
Reply:I think Pete rose broke one of the cardinal rules of baseball, gambling on your own team. Everyone knows what will happen if you bet on your own team the Black Sox taught us that.
With that being said Pete Rose does not deserve to be in the hall of fame during his lifetime. When he passes away he should be elected on the first ballot and immediately inducted into the hall. During his playing years he was what every ballplayer wanted to be. He played hard everyday and gave his all. When all is said and done and he will be in the hall he will be remembered for how he played
Reply:Pete Rose was a great player, one of the best. No one will ever dispute this. He broke the rules. If you let Rose slide on the betting, what's going to be stopping anyone else from doing it? If players and managers can get away with betting on baseball than you're gonna have a way bigger problem with the integrity of the game than steroids. With steroids people are cheating to win. With betting people cheat to loose. Which is worse? If you let Pete Rose in than you gotta let Joe Jackson in, too. Look at his stats, they were amazing. But that doesn't make up in any way for what he did. What's with all the sympathy for Rose anyways? He knew what he was doing. And it's not like he needed the money.
Reply:yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
I cant say yes enough times.
Reply:Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. He is one of the best players to ever play the game. Forgive and forget MLB.
Reply:yea!
Reply:yes he belongs
the all-time hits leader DESERVES a spot in the HOF
he bet on baseball as a manager. that was wrong. but his playing career was totally different from his managerial career.
pete rose (the player) epitomized the perfect ball player. played hard, always hustled, never quit, a team leader and a great teammate
Reply:yes he was an amazing story. he deserves it..end of story
Reply:Yes. Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame. There is no evidence that he bet AGAINST his team, and I seriously doubt that he would do that. He would stand to gain much more financially by having his team win than lose.
Okay, so he bet on baseball. He broke the rules. So has every player that corked a bat and doctored a baseball. Not to mention guys like Steve Howe that have been suspended for drug violations (7 TIMES in Howe's case). But hey, sit out a few games and welcome back fellas. Pete was taken out on a witch hunt by a commissioner that completely despised him, and now there is a commissioner without a pair of you-know-whats that won't take a stand on anything. He just ducks every issue like a true politician.
Pete has paid his dues and his penalties. It saddens me that there are so many people out there that can't see past the intense media assault on Pete, and and realize that he belongs in the Hall of Fame next to a bunch of other men with much bigger character issues than he has.
Reply:No.
Never, never reinstate this sorry excuse of a fraction of a man. I don't know from where comes the incorrect notion that his ineligibility is "lifetime" because it is not. Rose's ineligibility is PERMANENT. His being alive or dead makes, and will make, no difference. I do suppose it might be fair to reinstate Rose when "permanent" expires.
The Hall really is not an interesting question, but it is not suffering without him, nor without the handful of diehard Rose supporters, apologists, and general sycophants who dutifully must be boycotting the Hall.
I am curious though -- to those who claim Rose has "paid his dues", exactly what dues has he paid? What reforms has he undertaken of himself, what retributions has he undergone, what makes him now a better person (he certainly is not an innocent one) than he was in 1989? I really would like an answer to this. Do try.
Reply:yes at least he didnt do steroids or illegal drugs all he did was bet on baseball if thats the case then everybody in the world is as guilty as he is nobody is perfect
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